“AI is going to be the age of the polymath. If you have the ability to think about different systems and how they might work together, you’re going to be able to come up with outcomes that were previously impossible because those disciplines didn’t work well together.” — Cyan Banister, Co-Founder of Long Journey Ventures
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Cyan Banister has built one of the most distinctive early-stage track records of the last fifteen years, with early bets on companies like Uber, SpaceX, DeepMind, Niantic, and Postmates. Today, she is co-founder and general partner at Long Journey Ventures, where she backs what she calls “magical weirdos.” Banister describes herself as a professional daydreamer, running constant thought experiments and paying close attention to signals others ignore. In this episode, she explains how that mindset translates into investing, and why many of her best opportunities have come from observation, curiosity, and a willingness to look in unlikely places.
In our conversation, we explore:
Cyan’s philosophy of treating life as a series of experiments
The strange, profound experiences that led her to question and ultimately move beyond her atheism
How scanning Wi-Fi networks in a Four Seasons café led her to Flock Safety, last valued at $8.4 billion
Long Journey Ventures’ “Biz, Tizz, and Rizz” framework for identifying exceptional founders and why the trifecta is rare
How AI will enable the age of the polymath
Why she believes brain-computer interfaces are closer than most people think
Why she says Pokémon Go was “the closest we ever came to world peace”
Why she lives part-time in a retirement community and her vision for a more connected future
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Timestamps
(00:00) Intro
(03:51) Never playing the game you appear to be playing
(07:18) Practicing childlike wonder as a daily discipline
(10:08) Questioning belief after her stroke
(13:30) Cyan’s metaphysical experiments
(23:24) Non-local consciousness and creativity
(27:22) Investing with extreme openness to signals
(29:05) The importance of timing in investing
(32:26) Meeting Travis Kalanick
(34:19) Finding Flock Safety through a chance encounter
(38:23) The summer of Pokémon Go (what worked and what didn’t)
(39:55) Human nature and what makes something “stick”
(42:15) Brain-computer interfaces and AI’s accelerating effect
(52:53) “Biz, Tiz, Riz:” her framework for evaluating founders
(59:20) Why Cyan lives in a retirement community part-time
(1:03:50) A unique way of finding books that speak to you
(1:08:44) Final meditations
Follow Cyan Banister:
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cyanb
Newsletter: https://uglyduckling.substack.com
Website: https://cyanbanister.com
Resources and episode mentions
Books
Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone: https://www.amazon.com/Harry-Potter-Philosophers-Stone-Rowling/dp/0747532745
Impro: Improvisation and the Theatre: https://www.amazon.com/Impro-Improvisation-Theatre-Keith-Johnstone/dp/0878301178
The Diamond Age: https://www.amazon.com/Diamond-Age-Neal-Stephenson/dp/0553573314
Snow Crash: https://www.amazon.com/Snow-Crash-Neal-Stephenson/dp/0553380958
My Life and Loves: https://www.amazon.com/My-Life-Loves-Frank-Harris/dp/9358712538
Milton Friedman’s books on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Books-Milton-Friedman/s?rh=n%3A283155%2Cp_27%3AMilton%2BFriedman
The Razor’s Edge: https://www.amazon.com/Razors-Edge-W-Somerset-Maugham/dp/1400034205
People
Kurt Vonnegut: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Vonnegut
Aldous Huxley: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldous_Huxley
J.K. Rowling’s website: https://www.jkrowling.com
Neal Stephenson’s website: https://www.nealstephenson.com
Travis Kalanick on X: https://x.com/travisk
Ryan Graves: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Graves_(businessman)
Keith Rabois on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/keith
Garrett Langley on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/glangley
John Luttig on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/luttig
John Hanke on X: https://x.com/johnhanke
Paul Stamets website: https://paulstamets.com
Keith Corso on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/keith-corso
Brendan Eich on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brendaneich
Arielle Zuckerberg on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ariellezuckerberg
Josh Browder on X: https://x.com/Joshuabrowder
Aleister Crowley: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley
George Gurdjieff: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Gurdjieff
P.D. Ouspensky: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._D._Ouspensky
Other resources
The Telepathy Tapes: https://thetelepathytapes.com
The Intuitive Hour: Awaken Your Inner Voice: https://open.spotify.com/show/3Ws7WZsFuQuwgl6uiPMJq3
Spellers: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt27558471
Animal Telepathy & Consciousness: https://thetelepathytapes.com/podcast/the-telepathy-tapes-s2-e5
Brain-computer interface: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain%E2%80%93computer_interface
Saturday Night Live: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Live
Modern Meditations: Keith Rabois: https://www.generalist.com/p/modern-meditations-keith-rabois
Y Combinator: https://www.ycombinator.com
Pokémon Go: https://www.pokemongo.com
Ingress: https://ingress.com
Monopoly Go: https://www.monopolygo.com
Pikmin Bloom: https://pikminbloom.com
Niantic: https://nianticlabs.com
Niantic Spatial: https://www.nianticspatial.com
This Beanie Is Designed to Read Your Thoughts: https://www.wired.com/story/this-beanie-is-designed-to-read-your-thoughts
CTRL-Labs: https://dsvw8jmuo45j8.cloudfront.net
Fungi Perfecti: https://fungi.com/pages/bees?srsltid=AfmBOoqnjt2xKnfY7H3bW_yLaUuVrvoogzsa8mt5BHEqN_iWze0WQEkx
Etsy: https://www.etsy.com
Busright: https://www.busright.com
Rizz & Tizz (and a Little Biz): Our Framework for Magical Weirdness: https://www.longjourney.vc/news/founderrizzandtizz
Crusoe: https://www.crusoe.ai
Mafia: https://mafia.gg
B Street Books: https://www.bstreetbooks.com
The Restaurant With No (Visible) Workers: https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2015/08/31/436377616/the-restaurant-with-no-visible-workers
“The Magic Glasses” by Frank Harris: https://hermetic.com/crowley/equinox/i/i/eqi01007
Kabbalah: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabbalah
The Razor’s Edge (1946 film): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Razor%27s_Edge_(1946_film)
The Razor’s Edge (1984 film): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Razor%27s_Edge_(1984_film)
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